Update 2019 02 15: Added links to related articles.
Canadian father deported to Australia over spat with girlfriend — The case of Tavis Lamprell, the father who got deported from Canada to Australia (and you thought they didn’t do that anymore) for arguing with his girlfriend, is not the first such case of deportation from Canada.
Fortunately, Tavis Lamprell’s case did have a good ending:
Judge overturns deportation slip-up
A Canadian permanent resident who was wrongfully deported to Australia almost two years ago because of a government agency’s slip-up in processing his file can legally return to Canada and reunite with his daughter. More…
That is not always so, when fathers are being deported. For instance, there was the 2001 case of Erwin Miller (not his real name), a jewelry manufacturer from St. Albert (near Edmonton) who served five years in jail and in prison (he spent a long time in remand, before his case got to trial) in a case of mutual stalking between him and his then-wife, while his ex got off with spending not a single day in jail and without even a nominal sentence. After all, even though the “stalking” was a mutual dance, she was not charged with having submerged herself in being a perpetrator of the crime of stalking.
Well, Erwin’s was at least the start of such a case that, even though it never went to its conclusion, nevertheless had the intended outcome.
You see, Erwin was the first Alberta man indicted of the crime of stalking (the stalking happened in about 1992-93) under Alberta’s then brand-new anti-stalking law. Appearances are that the system made a show trial out of his case, and that – of course – for that reason the system had to make its case against Erwin and crush him.
Erwin had paid for his ex’s education as a psychotherapist and had paid for her practice. She fell in love with one of her patients, a Ms Ferland (in a clear case of violation of the doctor-to-client relationship), who then moved into their marital bedroom. According to Erwin, Ms Ferland slept right next to his and his wife’s connubial bed, on the floor, but she eventually moved right into Erwin’s rightful place in his own bed, replacing him.
Incidentally, they all had all sort of company there, since Erwin’s soon-to-be ex had bestowed a good number of different personalities (I believe it was close to a hundred) on her lesbian-lover-cum-client. I am not making this up on the fly. It happened.
As to be expected, Erwin’s ex turned out to be a good housekeeper. She kept the house that Erwin had bought; she kept the kids, car, cash and castle.
The case is a bit too complicated to relate here in its entirety, but after Erwin got out of jail (in about 1997), he first got served with a restraining order that barred him from Alberta, and then, on the strength of Erwin having been found guilty of being a criminal, a deportation hearing began in Feb. 2001. Doug Christie was his lawyer. (See also Western Canada Concept)
Doug Christie argued in immigration court that Erwin could not get a fair hearing under the immigration board judge that heard Erwin’s case in Edmonton. He said that there was a reasonable apprehension of bias because the minister of immigration had appointed the judge.
Upon that, after a short recess, the judge returned to announce that the case had to be adjourned until a few months later. Ultimately and unfortunately – perhaps fortunately – there was no ending to the court case – Erwin didn’t wait to be deported. He left on his own and vanished from Canada before the next court hearing took place in November of that year.
See the web page that describes the end of Erwin’s residency in Canada.
The legal industry (but not Doug Christie) made a bundle on that case; and its victim lost his family, a fortune, his income, his business and his freedom in Canada. That is what it is or at least comes to: asset transfer from the victim to the players in the legal industry. It’s not about justice at all. That went out of the window as soon as political correctness came in through the back-door.
Update 2007 11 11: As the comments pertaining to this story show, it is difficult for virtually anyone, even for some of those who went through the experience of the consequences of a 911-call, to accept that once a 911-call over alleged domestic violence has been made by a woman (even if she then insists that no violence happened), the bureaucratic machinery then set into motion can and will destroy a man and his family. For more on that, do this search: <Shout at spouse, lose your house>.
By the way, while speaking of deporting fathers, there is also the restriction of freedom of movement in Canada, not only for men who lose their drivers licenses, for men like Tavis Lamprell and Erwin Miller, but for someone like Doug Christie, a lawyer and man who not only never committed a crime and never even went through the charade of having been found guilty of one he didn’t commit.
Doug Christie has been banned from being on Parliament Hill! (See, politically-correct Wikipedia never reported anything about that.)
For someone in power, instead of closing his eyes when faced by the truth, it is far more convenient and practical to ban the truth.
There is nothing new under the sun:
August Heinrich Hoffmann von Fallersleben
Our sovereigns promised us much,
But the keeping seemed not their obligation.
Is it that we did so many crimes,
That they didn’t keep their pledge?
It is getting worse from day to day,
To be silent is our only right:
Subjects aren’t entitled to complaints,
And the slave must obey his lord.
Our brothers are ordered to be deported,
Of greater value than all rights is the police.
Today it hits this one, tomorrow that one,
Every, every German is an outlaw.
German Liberty only lives in song,
German right, it only is a tale,
German welfare is a long peace ——
Full of avarice and censorship.
Therefore we leave the fatherland,
Neither now nor ever to return,
Seek our freedom on foreign shores ——
Only freedom is life, is happiness.
Published at some point during the first half of the 19th century
There once was freedom in Canada. In 1962 I took my wife and three children to enjoy Canadian freedom. Now neither Germany nor Canada nor any of the developed nations have it any longer. All they have is political correctness. Men are now second-class citizens and regarded as sub-human everywhere.
Now men not merely get deported or leave on their own to places where they think they still can find freedom. The problem with men is now a very deadly one. Millions of men each year take the ultimate escape, they commit suicide, at rates not seen since the Great Depression. For men, depression is now endemic and causes men to kill themselves in epidemic proportions throughout the world.
However, as the feminists see it, that is a good thing. Every dead man is a good man.
#Family #FeministJurisprudence #MensIssues
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Just for the benefit of those readers that don’t know what the ODARA Law is, here is an excerpt from an announcement of that “law:
Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services
McGuinty government launches new tool to assess risk of domestic assault
Ottawa and North Bay Selected for Pilot Sites
OTTAWA, Nov. 12 /CNW/ – The McGuinty government is launching a new tool
that will help police and Crown attorneys better protect women and their
children from domestic violence, Community Safety and Correctional Services
Minister Monte Kwinter announced today.
The Ontario Domestic Assault Risk Assessment (ODARA) will help front-
line police officers and prosecutors quickly determine whether an accused
seeking bail is likely to commit another domestic assault," Kwinter said.
"Police or Crown attorneys can then take appropriate action to protect the
victim and her children." …
Tavis, it is quite obvious that you are not yet convinced that you were deported because you are a man and committed the unpardonable sin of yelling at a woman. You said yourself that she yelled at you, but she wasn’t even
accused, or reprimanded. You were arrested, jailed and deported.
You call the ODARA tool for the persecution of men a law. It is not a law.
In the Ontario Government’s own words, it is a new tool that will better protect
any woman and her children from domestic violence.
That means a few things:
1.) It is only women who need protection;
2.) Since only women need protection, they are therefore the only parties in a
case of mutual violence that can be victims; therefore
3.) The ones who commit domestic violence (by definition, only and always
violence against women) can only be men.
It follows that ODARA is a tool alright. It is a tool for the persecution
of men and of men only.
There is no ODARA law.
I do understand that.
Yes we had that in Common.
Just clearing it up, that is not why I got deported.
Now, something has to be done about the ODARA Law.
Great, Now cops have the authority to do something in a domestic violence situation. But cops need special training, I think, which they don’t have; and they need to be a little understanding of some situations and realize it’s not always the man’s fault.
My girlfriend use to smash dishes when she was upset. No cops ever came and took her away. I, on the other hand, throw a paper coffee cup from Tim Hortons and get taken to jail, denied bail and get 5 days time served and 2 years probation and have to go to Domestic Violence class. Does that seem right?
The second time, she and I were yelling while in the jeep. We calmed down but had drawn attention. We started arguing again. I picked her up out of the jeep (she had a stroke years before) and put her in her chair. Her oldest girl said her friend called the cops, with Robyn told to go out for a while until they got there.
Robyn refused to give a statement and the cops were looking for the teenager who made the 911 call. Five days later I was charged for assault. I spent 15 days in jail waiting for bail. I almost lost my job. I went to some other court, pleaded guilty and was released serving 60 days on weekends allowing me to keep my job.
The ODARA Law made it impossible for me to get real justice. I saw drug dealers get bail while a few other men and I on domestic-violence charges were told that there was no time to hear our cases in bail court. That went on for two weeks before I just wanted to plead guilty and get out.
The ODARA Law is out of control.
I am not sure what it is about the short introductory paragraph I wrote for Erwin Sillipp’s story. There is nothing in it that really relates to the specifics of your case.
Your concern must therefore relate to the title I used, “Canadian father deported to Australia over spat with girlfriend”.
There is nothing wrong with that title. After all, your spat with your girlfriend and the 911-call she made over that is what triggered the persecution of you and your deportation to Australia.
That is the key issue. Just a simple call by a girlfriend, partner or wife to 911 will set into motion some very serious events that can and often will destroy a man. That is what Erwin Sillip and you have in common, that 911 call.
The complaints you listed about subsequent actions by the bureaucracy are well justified. Nevertheless, the start of it all was your spat with your girlfriend and her subsequent 911 phone-call. It is absolutely irrelevant that subsequently you were convicted and even served time in jail. What matters is that the initial 911 call ultimately caused you to be deported.
You seem to think that your deportation was the result of a comedy of bureaucratic errors. If you could get to the bottom of it all, you would find that the “comedy of errors” was little of the sort but most likely a collection of convenient excuses used to punish you for having committed an unpardonable sin, you shouted at your girlfriend.
The sort of call made by Robyn is a very common tactic used in divorce strategies, “Shout at spouse (woman that is), lose your house.” (Do this search at google.com: “lose your house” site:http://fathersforlife.org)
Without a doubt, Robyn regrets that she called 911 over what was a trivial thing. The fact of the matter is that her call set the machinery in motion that then steamrollered you.
Her call was the equivalent of pulling the fire alarm. Whether there is a fire or not when that is done, the fire engines will come. But there is an important difference between pulling a fire alarm as a prank and making a 911-call to report a trivial, even a non-existent assault. The first is punished, the second never is.
When a woman calls 911 over a trivial spat or perhaps simply because she acts maliciously against her man, she will not ever be punished or fined. As a matter of fact, her insistence that no violence took place will be used as evidence against the man, because the women is then said to be in denial of the man’s violence.
As soon as Robyn made her call you were assumed to be guilty. The bureaucratic actions that were then used against you were with virtual certainty designed to punish you through the most effective means.
The globe and mail was correct! But again, my conviction over my argument with my ex is not why I was deported and the Globe never said that it was. They said :
“That’s why news two years ago that he was being deported to his country of birth because of a government agency’s relatively minor procedural error – not verifying his status in Canada after a few brushes with the Canadian legal system – came as a surprise.”
“Permanent residents, according to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, cannot automatically be deported as a result of a conviction in Canada. They are eligible for a hearing in front of an immigration judge and are to be informed of their right to appeal”
“They issued the deportation order under provisions that apply to foreign nationals, not permanent residents. They used the wrong section and the wrong procedure [under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act].”
“What’s more, the crimes Mr. Lamprell is convicted of – including theft under $5,000, breach of a recognizance order and an assault in which he threw a half-empty Tim Hortons coffee cup at a wall during an argument with his girlfriend – aren’t considered grounds for deporting a permanent resident, Mr. Waldman said”
My Criminal conviction is not even the issue, had they checked that I was a Permanent Resident. If I was in fact a foreign National, that alone would have been enough to deport me but the criminal conviction would have made impossible for me to get a PR status under compassionate and humanitarian grounds. assuming I was a Foreign National.
As I said, for them to Deport me as a Permanent Resident I would have had to have a conviction that caries a minimume sentence of 10 years in jail and I didn’t. I got 60 day’s served on weekends!
In 2005 the Canadian Gov was under pressure from the usa to “clean up” our illegal immigration problem. Canada faced needing passports to travel into the USA or getting “the Smart Card System” it was all about how many they could remove. I remember in Feb or March reading a headline that 10,000 people that month were being deported all over the Province of Ontario.
Anyway, I even have an affidavit signed by my ex stating that I never even assaulted her. This was brought on by the stupid ODARA law in December 2004. all I did was throw a cold half full paper cup of coffee at the wall during an argument and she called the copps to have them ask me to leave, which I was doing anyway as I was going to work.
Robyn tried to tell them she wasn’t pressing charges and that it was going to be ok, but the Officers under the new ODARA law said it’s not up to her anymore, the police don’t deal with it, the courts do so off to jail I went where I had a bail bonds company ready to post my bail but after 15 days going to bail court and not being seen I was at risk of loosing my job so I pleaded guilty and was released that day.
Had I pleaded innocent I would have had to wait 3 months in jail for a trial, my job would have been gone.
But again, that’s not why I was deported. I was deported because some Officer at the CBSA neglectfully didn’t check the FOS System to confirm what I was telling him about me being a Permanent Resident of Canada.
Sorry for not posting your response right away, but I didn’t get around to check my mail until just now.
It is good of you to send those corrections of the errors in your story, but I have no control over what the Toronto Globe & Mail puts into its articles. You would be better off to send your comments to them. If they don’t respond with a correction, we will report that here, if you don’t mind.
Make sure that they tell you on which date, section and page they will publish their correction. If they don’t publish a correction, let me now about that, too, so that I can post that information here.
Other than that, it sure looks like you got shafted. I hope that your court case against the Canadian government goes well.
If anything develops, post here whatever news you have. Nothing works as well as public exposure. However, make sure you check first with your lawyer as to what sort of information it is safe to tell the world about.
And by the way, Erwin Sillipp did not receive a prison sentence longer than ten years. His was only for five years and took into account the time he spent incarcerated before his trial for the charge of stalking came up.
I don’t know what his resident status was. He committed the same “crimes” as his wife did. She didn’t get charged.
–Walter at F4L
First off I’d Like to thank you for taking interest in my story.
But I need to correct you on something. I wasn’t deported for an argument with my girlfriend. I was deported because the Officer at the CBSA didn’t listen to me when I said I was a Permanent Resident and not a foreign national. All he had to do was check the FOSS system that would have taken two minutes. The Criminal convictions were listed with the Status of foreign National. Also, with the exception of the Breach and the Assault (paper coffee cup at the wall) I had been trouble free since 1991 when I was 21. I decided to grow up and change my crazy teenage habits.
True, a permanent resident can be deported because of criminal convictions, however, this means a criminal conviction that carries a jail sentence of 10 years or more.
And for that to happen, I need to see an immigration court judge where it is decided if I should lose my Permanent Resident status and be deported. Also it is important to note that not only did this not happen, but if it had, the judge would take into consideration my daughter, how long I lived in Canada (34 years at the time), did I have a Job (I did), and things like that. It is fair to say that I would not have had my status removed and been deported had this been done.
Also, when I was being issued the Deportation Order, I asked about the appeal Process, I was told that I would receive all that info in the mail….it never came, and it was never going to. I had been misled when in fact I was to go to the main window at the CBSA and ask to file an appeal form. But regardless, the removal order was issued in error, and they’ve told me there is no way to undo what they’ve done except re-apply to come back, which doesn’t mean it will get approved and also costs about $1000 non refundable and takes about 2 years
I could go on and on