November 6, 2008 by Walter Schneider.

Hello Cosha,

Far from being uninformed on the topics you touched upon in your message, it seems to me that I studied those issues probably for more decades than you have been around, unless you are 72 years old, as I am.

First of all, as to “the two messages with this title at the top: Jehovah’s Witnesses are being subverted from within and begin program for vilifying men…”, you and your readers would be far better served if you were to replace such obtuse references with precise and convenient URLs.

I will insert a few references (in the form of links) and comments into the appropriate locations in your commentary.  Follow those links, enjoy the articles they lead to and become informed, if not deprogrammed, so as to prevent you from appearing excessively indoctrinated.

Regards,

Walter Schneider
http://fathersforlife.org

Cosha Baker wrote:

In regards to the two messages with this title at the top: Jehovah’s Witnesses are being subverted from within and begin program for vilifying men…

Thanks for the information you provided. I was doing a search on Jehovah witnesses and the prevalence of domestic violence and came across this page.

It is interesting to me when individuals are so “anti-feminist”. It seems as you are not very knowledgeable about the feminist movement, as your complaints are not entirely accurate. Feminists do not hate men [feminists do hate men], that is just ridiculous, they also are not militant, feminazis that are out to destroy family values. The women (and men) I know that identify as feminists have strong families, are good and loving parents, and promote gender equality and a nonviolent world.

Maybe some, I grant you that, but the reality is that when it comes to domestic violence, the most violent “families”, by far and per capita, occur amongst lesbians.

Hmm…not so terrible actually. The comments made by these two individuals were sexist and hateful regarding a movement they obviously do not understand and did not bother to research before spouting off their messages.

And which two individuals might that be?

Feminists, on the other hand, are not sexist or hateful in what they do, it is sad that there is such a misunderstanding when individuals insist on being ignorant about issues instead of well informed.

Yes, familiarity breeds contempt, and is is hard to recognize sexism and hatred by feminists when it stared us in the face for more than a century.  However, if feminists are so considerate, magnanimous and tolerant, how do you explain the vast differences in the life expectancies of the sexes?  I suppose that you may be inclined to concede that that difference grew from being virtually non-existent at the beginning of the last century to being, depending on country, in the range from about 5 to 14 years in the developed nations.  That is not a consequence of genetic advantages for women, it is the consequence of the sum-total of discrimination against men. After all, the facts that cause the vast difference in the life expectancies of the sexes are undeniable.

Now, in terms of what was said about the Watch Tower and domestic violence. Good for them. I was under the distinct impression that “Jehovah Witnesses” were patriarchal and condemned divorce even when a partner was being physically abused.

Oh, I see, you are not against families and fathers in families.  You are simply out to prove from your feminist perspective, and quite “objectively” to boot, I presume, that the patriarchy is a vast conspiracy by men against women.

This is why I was researching the topic, (so I am more knowledgeable before making unfounded comments). I’m still not sure where this religion stands in regards to domestic violence, but I am prepared to learn before forming an opinion.

Too bad that your research did not produce for you any citations of credible, reputable sources, isn’t it?

The VAST majority of individuals that are abused by an intimate partner are females. The VAST majority of the individuals that do the abusing are men. This is fact, it has been researched and proven over and over.

No, it is not a fact that has been proven by anyone, although many people sufficiently indoctrinated through feminist propaganda keep on asserting it, as you do.  The real and objective facts are vastly different.  You may educate yourself about what the truth really is by reading some of these articles on the topic.

So the fact that the individuals in the photos were women is actually very representative of the population this problem affects.

What photos would those be?

Now, there is a very small percentage of men who do experience domestic abuse.

You are very seriously mistaken about that, as you should be able to recognize from the results of the research on the topic I referred to you.  However, in case you are not yet convinced of that, have a look at these articles.

Unless this article specifically said this issue only pertains to women, then obviously the Watchtower did their job with research before putting the article out.

I see, provided any article is properly biased according to feminist doctrine it must not be considered to be sufficiently objective.

The population affected by domestic violence is women, not men, and so depicting men would not have been reasonable, and actually could have been offensive to individuals that are knowledgeable about this topic. Again, it is important to have some information about the topic you are ranting about before putting your opinion out there on the world.

Let’s get something correct here.  The one who is doing the ranting is you.  Ranting is all you can do, as you are clearly misinformed — deliberately and voluntarily.

I’m looking forward to learning more about this religion, and I’ll definitely keep an eye on your page.

Last, but not least, do not forget to look up:

• Feminism For Male College Students — A Short Guide to the Truth, by Angry Harry (Off-Site)
• Video on violent women

Regards,

Walter Schneider
http://fathersforlife.org

Cc: Various men’s and fathers’ rights activists (via my mailing list) and http://blog.fathersforlife.org

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November 6, 2008 by Walter Schneider.

From John Flanagan:

Hi to Everyone

Warwick Marsh from the Fatherhood Foundation has called for the recognition of International Men’s Day on 19 November 2008. Please see the media release below.

The Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting) and the Fatherhood Foundation support both men and women. For example, a very large number of our valued members in the Party are women. However we feel that it is also very important to recognise this particular day for men.

As such, we will be attending a Conference at the NSW Parliament House, Sydney. This will be held on 19 November 2008. It is being organised by Warwick and Alison Marsh. The main speaker will be Dr Elizabeth Celi.

By coincidence, it was on this day in 1941 that the HMAS Sydney was lost during the Second World War.

Regards

John

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Media Release

International Men’s Day - 19th November 2008

International Men’s Day will have its inaugural celebration in Australia on 19th November 2008.

Russian President, Mikhail Gorbachev, first called for an international day to celebrate men in 1999 at the United Nations in Vienna . International Men’s Day is celebrated on many different dates around the world with varying degrees of success.

To help standardize International Men’s Day and increase its success the Indian ‘Save the Family Foundation‘ launched an international campaign and called for the celebration of International Men’s Day on 19th November along with Pakistan , Trinidad and Tobago.

Australia is joining with India, which has the second largest male population in the world, to call other countries around the world to make 19^th November 2008 a day to honour men for the contribution they make to their family, friends, work, community and nation.

Warwick Marsh, from the Dads4Kids Fatherhood Foundation said, “We contacted the leaders of the Save the Family Foundation in India , the leading advocates for International Men’s Day, before sharing the vision with several leaders in the Australian men and father’s movement at the National Shared Parenting Conference in Gosford, NSW on 14th June 2008.

The response in Australia for an International Men’s Day has been really positive. Already in Australia we have watched the phenomenal expansion of Movember, which promotes men’s health, so it’s great to see all these things happening for men in the month of November. Movember is exploding in influence around the world.”

Mr Marsh continued, “The 19th November is historically a day of great significance for every Australian. In 1941 it was the day that the HMAS Sydney II was lost. The 19th November 2008 commemorates the loss of 645 men when the HMAS Sydney sank off the coast of Western Australia, the greatest  loss of men’s lives on any one day by Australian forces in World War II.“

“The theme for the International Men’s Day 2008 is ‘Honour and Sacrifice’. This commemorates what our Aussie men, sons, fathers and grandfathers, both past and present, have sacrificed for their families, communities and nation,” Mr Marsh said.

“We call on other countries to join in solidarity to celebrate, on International Men’s Day, Wednesday 19th November 2008, the positive contribution that men make to the world.”

For more information please contact:

Warwick Marsh
Dads4Kids
Fatherhood Foundation
0418 225212
02 4272 6677
info@fatherhood.org.au
www.fatherhood.org.au

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Comment by F4L: It is perhaps a sign of a fractured international men’s movement that there is no consensus amongst nations as to on which day of the year the International Men’s Day should be celebrated.  Still, it is more likely that the differing dates for celebrating a men’s day and the lack of such a celebration in many nations (e. g.: USA, Germany and many other developed nations) is a consequence of the disdain in which many countries in the world hold men.

In contrast, International Women’s Day is being celebrated in almost all nations in the world.  Moreover, the celebration of International Women’s Day are being held on March 8 throughout the world.

Canada celebrates International Men’s Day on November 25.

One gains the impression that men’s sacrifices to society are so commonplace that they are being taken for granted, while it took nothing more than relatively and extremely rare disasters, such as the March 25, 1911 Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in New York that killed 146 garment workers (most of them women), to get an International Women’s Day off the ground.

Comparable plights by men, such as that more than 100,000 men died in mining accidents throughout the world during the last century and that they still die by the thousands each year in such accidents don’t need to be noticed, not to mention the more than a hundred million men who died through military actions throughout the last century in the world — all for nothing less than to save home and country.

No, why worry about men? Men are beasts of burden.  Moreover, it is women who must suffer when men die, right?  That is men’s fault, and why should it be celebrated that men are permitted to abscond by dying on average so many years sooner than women do?

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November 6, 2008 by Walter Schneider.

A crime to be a man

The link shown above leads to a 4-minute music-video from Sweden (in English) on the discrimination against divorced fathers.

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